Things that confuse me

[angela_o]

Okay, so it's still Veronica Mars related, but LOST has really stumbled creatively lately and BSG doesn't start up again until late in the summer so I'm left with additional time to ruminate, in a non cow-like way of course. lol

Some questions left over from the finale. Please feel free to chime in you have thoughts/answers/explanations.

How did Aaron manage to find Veronica's car so easily? Is he that conversant with the automobile choices of Logan's circle of friends?

What was in that stupid spy pen?

And while we're in the epistle vein, what happened to the Logan's letter to Lilly?

Was poor little Marisol Reyes just a sad coincidence?

Will Celeste be booked on obstruction of justice as well? What about good old Clarence?

Is Veronica eligible for the reward money originally put up for information leading to the arrest of Lilly's murderer? Or would her signing the contract giving up any future claim on the Kane estate negate that?

Where is Backup? He was at the crime scene, but Keith and Veronica are taken to the hospital and I'm doubting the EMT's let him hitch a ride. Is the mystery person at the door really Aw Shucks Deputy Leo bringing the beast back?

What's on that third tape that Lilly stole from the pool house?

Did we ever know definitively (ie from a source other than Veronica's reconstruction of the crime) what the muder weapon actually was?

Has Wallace's little brother disappeared off the face of the earth?

I've seen lots of passionate defense of Veronica's decision to turn Logan in without confronting him because of the potential physical danger she was in. Yet, over the course of the season we've seen her seek out a personal confrontation with Jake, who her father thought was at least involved in the murder if not the actual murderer, and we've seen her alone on several occasions with Duncan, who Veronica also suspected. Why would Logan be considered any more dangerous than other potential suspects? Her interactions with Logan were in public places. That inequity disturbs me.

Finally, would you really want to revisit a relationship with a guy who's admitted that he had sex with you while he was under the impression that you were siblings?

Comments

[kieyra.livejournal.com]

Why would Logan be considered any more dangerous than other potential suspects?

I haven't seen the arguments of physical danger. My own feeling is that she was surpremely pissed off that she'd been so close to trusting him and then found out he'd lied about his whereabouts on the day of the murder. Confronting him in person would also mean confronting her own emotional vulnerability with him. Maybe she didn't trust herself to handle it correctly, or to be able to know if he was finally telling her the truth.

Also, Logan knew Veronica was looking into the murder, he had the opportunity to tell her the truth about that day and clear his name ahead of time, at least with her--and he chose to continue to lie. I think at that point she stopped owing him special consideration.

[angela-o.livejournal.com]

I agree that she was kicking herself because she'd come so close to letting him in completely. Which ties in to her sense of emotional vulnerability being intertwined with her inability to confront him. I'm curious to know why he didn't come clean with her about being in Neptune. I wonder if that will ever be addressed.

[blueness.livejournal.com]

Was poor little Marisol Reyes just a sad coincidence?

I'm inclined to think that she was thrown in there as a red herring, and also as a little social commentary on the state of affairs in Neptune (and likely the real world, unfortunately).

Will Celeste be booked on obstruction of justice as well? What about good old Clarence?

I don't know about Clarence, but it's possible that Jake might take the fall for the family and say that Celeste and Duncan knew nothing about it (which in Duncan's case is true of course).

As for the Logan thing, I don't know if you'll consider this a good defense, but I would argue that as she was confronting Jake about something unrelated to the murder, and as she didn't intend to reveal to Duncan that she considered him a suspect, that those are different cases than with Logan. Even though Jake was a murder suspect in her eyes, he's probably not going to kill her for accusing him of something unrelated, though he might if he was a murderer and thought that she could prove it. And she didn't think that Duncan killed Lilly intentionally, or that he even knew if he had done it. It's maybe a little risky seeking out somebody who might be prone to violent episodes, but she didn't have any reason to think that merely talking to him would trigger it, and she didn't know when she went to talk to him that he was aware of her investigation. It wouldn't have been smart to tell Logan that she suspected him of murder, because if he really had done it then knowing that she suspected would have made her a direct target, which I don't think is the case in her confrontations with Jake and Duncan. I'm not saying that those confrontations were the best idea, but I do see them as being different. And if she really did think that Logan could be the killer, well she probably would have been safe enough hanging out with him if she didn't let on that she suspected him, but she wasn't exactly in the state of mind to be able to be around him and act like that nothing had happened.

Finally, would you really want to revisit a relationship with a guy who's admitted that he had sex with you while he was under the impression that you were siblings?

Ew, no. I mean I like Duncan, but still. No. I do think that relationship will be explored at some point, though. But ew.

[angela-o.livejournal.com]

Poor little Marisol. She should have had rojo in her name somewhere.

I can see your point regarding Jake, but I still find her decision to seek out Duncan as being inherently riskier than dealing with Logan. If you knew that someone has definitely had one violent outburst that they apparently don't remember and you suspect that they might have had another in which they killed their sibling, I would think that you'd limit stress-inducing contact.

It's interesting to note that Duncan is really the only character (besides Aaron) who has been physically agressive towards Veronica. (I don't really count Felix, because he can never quite get to her.) I'm hoping that they don't set up a big triangle with Veronica, Logan, and Duncan next year, but it would't surprise me if they do. I'm thinking that the expectation is that Veronica will need to get closure on her relationship with Duncan on her own terms. Although, as a viewer, I really can't get past the fact that he slept with her even though he believed she was his sister. Plus, he's still potentially violent. But, that doesn't seem to register with most of the episode reactions that I've read.

[chrisjournal.livejournal.com]

How did Aaron manage to find Veronica's car so easily? Is he that conversant with the automobile choices of Logan's circle of friends?

VM tends to let a lot of details like that slide a bit, but the best I can do is say he'd have seen it when he took her home, if not before. And certainly the way this all came out puts a different light on his niceness during the drive home that afternoon.

What was in that stupid spy pen?

Possibly nothing... possibly Logan's letter? I'm doubting the letter because Weevil went after Logan with the crowbar, but there's the slimmest possibility that he really intended to collect Logan and go after Duncan. I know, I know. Stretching a loooootttt.

Was poor little Marisol Reyes just a sad coincidence?

Or a framing statement for the entire class struggle theme...They could resurrect this next year in many ways.

Will Celeste be booked on obstruction of justice as well? What about good old Clarence?

God, I hope so!

Is Veronica eligible for the reward money originally put up for information leading to the arrest of Lilly's murderer?

No telling. I'm thinking it depends on whether RT wants to mix up the class structure a bit and tell a "you can't go home" story. I've got some deeper thoughts on this one percolating for a post sometime soon...

Where is Backup?

Again with VM skipping over some of the details, I suspect. Smart money says Wallace, whose mom sent him, but I'm leaning a little teeny tiny bit toward Logan or Weevil at this point. Duncan would make me gag, but not surprise me too much more than Wallace. I think she called someone, and was hoping they'd turn up. Who would she call? Well, Duncan was an eye witness, which puts him bottom of the list. Wallace she'd have talked to when she called Alicia. Logan she tried to get hold of earlier, and probably would have tried to find him again. Weevil she'd have called, perhaps, based on his having overheard her conv. earlier, and because he's her go-to guy for doing things. Lots of ways that could come out, but there was something in her expression at the door that makes me think she was taking in a surprising view of whomever it was she was 'hoping' for.

What's on that third tape that Lilly stole from the pool house?

Celeste. *grins* I'm afraid that tape was destroyed in the fire, though. Didn't she put them in the garbage can and someplace else where the fire was?

Did we ever know definitively (ie from a source other than Veronica's reconstruction of the crime) what the muder weapon actually was?

I don't think they said so textually, but she'd almost have to have known about the murder weapon if it really was an ashtray thrown in the pool. In fact, that'd be how she figured out how the scene played. Knowing the murder weapon is just about the only way to get from tapes to the Kane mansion/pool scene she reconstructed.

Has Wallace's little brother disappeared off the face of the earth?

Yup. Far as I can tell.

Why would Logan be considered any more dangerous than other potential suspects? Her interactions with Logan were in public places. That inequity disturbs me.

I really read this whole thing as an extension of her mental state from the last ep...she's been on the verge of losing it for a while now, and when she found out Logan might have done it, I think she just went off the deep end. That said, she was giving in on the beach before Daddy showed up, and she went to the Kane's to find the letter to clear Logan, not to find murder tapes... She was schizophrenic this whole episode, and it makes sense to me that she would be, given what she's been dealing with mentally. That didn't stop me from calling her a 'stupid girl' at times and wanting to shake her, but I do think she's been falling apart since the rape was resurrected.

Finally, would you really want to revisit a relationship with a guy who's admitted that he had sex with you while he was under the impression that you were siblings?

Ugh, no. Just no.

[angela-o.livejournal.com]

VM tends to let a lot of details like that slide a bit, but the best I can do is say he'd have seen it when he took her home, if not before. And certainly the way this all came out puts a different light on his niceness during the drive home that afternoon.

But, isn't her car left at Weevi's uncle's autoyard/chop shop to have the alternator repaired? The detail stuff is something that tends to jump out at me. I think in another life I'd be ideally suited to being a continuity editor. :)

Possibly nothing... possibly Logan's letter? I'm doubting the letter because Weevil went after Logan with the crowbar, but there's the slimmest possibility that he really intended to collect Logan and go after Duncan. I know, I know. Stretching a loooootttt.

I admire the stretch. You're quite flexible. lol I hope that they at least answer this detail next season. Although if it's true that next season starts at the beginning of the school year, I'm guessing that the best we would get is a throwaway line.

I'm with you on hoping Celeste is locked up too. Jail could only improve her. But, I could see Jake taking the fall for that one so that Duncan isn't left parentless. I hope that the third tape wasn't destroyed and turns up again. Celeste having an affair with Aaron as well would up the tawdry element just that much more. Plus, Lilly would have gotten a huge kick out of it I'm sure.

I don't think they said so textually, but she'd almost have to have known about the murder weapon if it really was an ashtray thrown in the pool. In fact, that'd be how she figured out how the scene played. Knowing the murder weapon is just about the only way to get from tapes to the Kane mansion/pool scene she reconstructed.

That's what confused me. Because in Veronica's imaginings of the crime scene earlier in the season (with each of the Kanes as the murderer) the ashtray isn't the weapon all the time. Which is why I didn't understand why suddenly it *was* the murder weapon.

She was schizophrenic this whole episode, and it makes sense to me that she would be, given what she's been dealing with mentally. That didn't stop me from calling her a 'stupid girl' at times and wanting to shake her, but I do think she's been falling apart since the rape was resurrected.

I think you make a good point that she's probably still reeling from all the "rape" revelations. Plus, it's true that her motivation is to find the letter and one hopes that she wants to prove that Logan *didn't* do it. I found the locker scene to be painful, but the real killer is the call from jail. She lets him believe that she's on his side even though she's the reason that he's there. That felt incredibly cold to me.

[muffinkath7.livejournal.com]

I personally think that Veronica's reaction to Logan was in character for how out of character she generally is around him, which has remained consistent. She KNEW that he could influence her. He's pretty much the only person on the entire show who can. I mean, she is very much "eye for an eye," except when it comes to Logan. She forgave him an awful lot over the course of this season, and I think it's because she suspected a lot of the garbage going on at home for him. I found it interesting that she mentioned Aaron's abuse to Logan. Because when exactly did she find that out? Or figure it out anyway?

As for the letter, I think it's in the pen. Otherwise, why does it exist? I think Weevil knew it, and I think now that he didn't do anything to Logan at the bridge. Why Weevil was all "these rich kids think they can get away with anything," I'm not sure. Or maybe he's never been able to open the pen? lol

As for Duncan...ew. And that's all I'll say about that. But I do think they will explore a triangle next season. How can they not? As much as we despise them, writers LOVE them, and this one is too natural to avoid.

[angela-o.livejournal.com]

It's probably true that Veronica is the most "out of control" around Logan. Although I don't know that I see her as having a huge degree of influence over her. As for the abuse, I'm assuming she's combining Trina's taunting of Logan with witnessing Aaron's beating of Dylan to reach the conclusion that Logan was actually abused.

Like I said above, I hope that whatever was in the spy pen does get addressed at some point. Although I think that Weevil will have beaten Logan up again. Poor Logan, a physical beating is one of the few things in life that he's been well trained for receiving.

I've seen 7 bright yellow XTerras since the finale. They don't make me smile anymore. They just make me feel vaguely sad.

[muffinkath7.livejournal.com]

What I meant by he has influence over her is that she is inclined to believe him. It was pretty obvious that he was convincing her on the beach. When he turns on the charm, she almost always melts. And even when they were fighting, big-time, a lot of it she seemed more challenged than upset.